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Comic 35 - The 1% Wipe
16th Jul 2011, 10:28 PM
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16th Jul 2011, 10:28 PM
Another thing I don't like about Deathwing is that he is a badguy without a cause.
All the other WoW villians at least have their side of the story…every badguy faction has their reasons for doing what they did. Edwin Vancleef lead an army of bandits in what he felt was for the social justice of the stormwind masons who were kicked out by greedy and corrupted nobles. Ner'zhul/Lich king simply wanted ot be free from the Burning Legion, so he founded the scourge and manipulated Arthas for just that. The members of the Cult of the Damned were Lordaeron exiles who hated society, and those who became death Knights did so for the immense power and immortality gained by Undeath. The Scarlet Crusade simply wanted to regain their homelands from the undead/forsaken. Illidan wanted to be redeemed and earn his brother’s forgiveness, but when denied, threw his lot in with the Burning Legion. Basically, Every conflict had 2 sides of the story. It was safe to say that no one in those factions wanted to die. They all fought for what they felt would be a better existence.
There just doesn’t seem to be one for the Twighlight’s Hammer. Originally they were just a large cult who worshiped Old Gods and wanted to ascend to the elemental planes, but now they serve Deathwing who just wants to destroy everything. I mean, there are people who are willing to die for a cause, but when the cause its self is death? Every society has it's share of insane people who found and join death cults- but for one to be so enormous that it rivals the size of the Alliance and Horde? I mean c'mon- that's just unrealistic. Even for a fantasy world. THAT many people who's goal is just to die?
So what I see as the enemy’s view on Cata’s conlficts are:
Deathwing: "Blah blah I am death incarnate. Death is eternal blah blah.I will tear the world apart blah blah"
Twighlight’s Hammer: “We’re all gonna die and we’re gonn’a take everyone else with us.”
….hardly a side worth telling…
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17th Jul 2011, 2:48 AM
You saw it here first. A 5 man group takes down Deathwing. Well Almost.
17th Jul 2011, 4:06 AM
Deathwing does have a backstory, Go read the war of the ancients trilogy it explains alot of his past and backstory (which is also going to be a caverns of time raid in Cata)
17th Jul 2011, 4:38 AM
Clef, Deathwing's story is long ago, and a bit complicated. We never actually SEE the process of Neltharion's corruption, but it is done by the War of the Ancients. The Titans imprisoned the Old Gods in the earth... Then they appoint the Aspects, one of which is of Earth, Neltharion. Somehow, they seemed to overlook that all those chaotic Old Gods they'd stuck down there just might be a problem for their Aspect... Real bright, huh?
They 'whispered' and influenced Neltharion for a long time, turned him quite paranoid, against the other Aspects and then insane. The paranoia got to the point that he defied the very voices that had driven him insane when they wanted him to do something against what he wanted when it came to the Demon Soul. During that time, he became Deathwing, rather than Neltharion, the Aspect of Earth.
Again, a lot of this is not stated directly, but gathered, mostly from what we learn in the War of the Ancients books. What we don't know is Deathwing's current mental state, if the Old Gods have him firmly back again or what. It's implied they have him back, when that remark about, " who is sighing Deathwing's paycheck" was made. Let's hope they don't forget to let us know about it all by the end of the expansion. :)
17th Jul 2011, 4:38 AM
and that was me, sorry, I forgot to put my name in! ::grin/blush::
17th Jul 2011, 6:50 AM
Well, during the Alextrasza cutscene she mentioned that she felt no sign of his former self during their encounter. A similar scene was done for Arthas by Jaina in WotLK...and we all saw how he turned out...
I know the novels explain the history of who and how he got corrupted. Basically he himself is still killing for no personal reason other then to end all life(and presumably his own once that was complete, unless he wants to rule a barren rock floating in space), is what I get from the game.
Yeah, they try to make him out to be in insane ball or rage, but his actions thwarting the Alliance in WC2 and the Badlands Lands quest as he tried to stop the last uncorrupted Black Dragon egg from being obtained shown that he was still quite methodical in his thinking.
17th Jul 2011, 4:39 AM
"Another thing I don't like about Deathwing is that he is a badguy without a cause."
Same here. Deathwing is more like a force of nature than like a real villain. I'm afraid of him in the same vague impersonal way that I'm afraid of an earthquake or a tornado.
17th Jul 2011, 7:58 AM
The Twilight Cult mantra comes across as "We're a bunch of suicidal nut-bags... but we're self-conscious, so we need everyone to die with us".
17th Jul 2011, 10:44 AM
While I know Deathwing has no goal, it is due to the Old Gods simply making him go Loopy. And after 2 (3 counting the highlands) were killed, maybe they are using Deathwing simple to eradicate life to not have themselves be bumped off anymore? Just a theory.
Also that is one thing I can definitely Agree on, when sis the Twilight Hammer get so Large? *sighs* Fan girls I expect with shiny vampire fantasies...
17th Jul 2011, 3:58 PM
Hmm, strange cult of extremists who grew to an outlandish size capable of threatening everyone in the fictional universe seemingly overnight and without any compelling reason for someone to join their loopy band?
Dude, I've seen that all before. I was a Battletech fanboy, and the Twilight's Hammer are nothing more than the Word of Blake's Azeroth chapter. Only with less giant robots blowing each other up and more magical macguffins. Also, less nuking. Word of Blake engagement protocol 21-A: "When in doubt, nuke everyone. Even your own forces. Also civilians. And any land animals that looked at you funny. And the whales, always nuke the whales."
And before any OLD time BTers get involved: Yes, I know you felt that way about the Clans. But as Clef mentioned, at least the Clans had a freakin' story and motivations behind them, and were interesting to learn about and then smite with overwhelming numbers of 'Mechs, tanks, and homegrown BA troops.
Anyway, I still think Deathwing makes a decent badguy, and hopefully they'll do some fancy writing to give a better take on everything. As for Twilight's Hammer, remember that at least they are promised power. "If I help these guys kill everyone else I get to be an immortal demigod thing that controls the elements to reshape the world as I see fit" is a rather big power trip, and my long years of working retail have led me to expect the absolute worst from people in general.
At least Talia knew to protect herself. Good girl!
18th Jul 2011, 12:03 AM
Read, read the books.
18th Jul 2011, 12:53 AM
When I first heard about Cataclysm and watched the trailer at Blizzcon (Youtube), seeing Deathwing as the main focus was epic. When I saw the intro for the game, it was epic. But now, due to time, and partially because of your comic and others like it, he's lost his purpose. It'd be like doing the vanilla content. It's just old and boring. And I haven't even reached level 80 yet. I haven't reached all the best parts of the game. It's kind of sad.
18th Jul 2011, 2:26 AM
If I remember correctly (and it's been a while, so I might not), Deathwing's not interested in killing all life on Azeroth, he's interested in killing everything except his own dragonflight, letting the black dragons rule supreme. (Pretty sure he's expanded that to include the twilight dragons, too.)
And I think that might only involve sentient life; animals and other "prey" can live. At least until the dragons get hungry.
Anyway, it seems his main goal, aside from burninating the world, is to ensure his own flight survives and thrives. Which is why Sinestra is so important, as he needs someone capable of procreating, and why he didn't want to let someone grow "uncorrupted" black dragons - he doesn't want his own black dragonflight to become enemies.
Of course, despite all this he's still quite insane. It's very possible he never bothered to think past his own plan. If, in some hypothetical alternate timeline, he manages to "win" this war, he may very well stop and realize that he's made it impossible for himself to survive in the barren wasteland that used to be Azeroth... but his insanity prevents him from thinking that far ahead, at least for the moment.
As for connecting him to the Twilight Hammer, there's actually very little (that I know of, at least; I haven't finished all the Twilight Highlands quests yet however) that points to him as the actual "leader" of the Hammer. I'm willing to bet that most of the rank-and-file members are led to believe it's the Old Gods they worship, and only the higher-ups know that Deathwing's involved at all.
18th Jul 2011, 3:22 AM
She stuck the feather in his head... looking back on the previous comics pages I see something bad coming for Nefarian soon, ya know!
18th Jul 2011, 5:06 AM
Death cults who believe that following their Chosen One will result in them being reborn into a Paradise afterlife are not entirely uncommon in fantasy... or real life.
18th Jul 2011, 1:12 PM
True, but it is uncommon for them to grow that ENORMOUS.
19th Jul 2011, 11:27 PM
But then, this is a world where the gods making the promises can actually be seen (or at least contacted) by mortals. Also, unlike the Scourge or the Legion, they aren't really being treated like a full army- the bulk of each faction's force in the Highlands is made up of the Dragonmaw/Wildhammer natives rather than regular troops, and after the quest chains are done all the dailies are about killing the other faction, not the Hammer.
You also have to consider the armies of the Alliance and Horde. Between Hellscream's massive escalation of faction warfare, Sylvanas' campaign to conquer Lordaeron, the Alliance's need to respond to those offensives, Stormwind's need to keep its own territory stable, the general damage done by the Cataclysm, and the massive cost in lives and money of the Northrend campaign, nobody really has the force to go in and crush the Hammer decisively, or the will or resources to commit a significant part of their regular army to the Highlands right now.
That being said, I think everyone (Blizz included) gives the Hammer more prominence than they deserve given the wide variety of enemies we'll face in Cata. Unlike Wrath or BC, Cata doesn't have a "main" enemy NPC faction, despite all the attention the Twilight cult gets. The Hammer might be the biggest, but the Naga, Neferset (who will almost certainly be involved in the Titan raid I am praying for Blizz to make), and air and fire elementals are also major foes- heck, the Neferset are in more 5-man instances than the cultists (OK, three vs. two, but still- nobody beat the Scourge or Legion in instance presence during their expansions).
20th Jul 2011, 7:06 AM
It's also rather uncommon for them to actually be able to summon elementals, or grant their followers magical powers (in the real world, that is). I'd say these cults might get a bit more membership if what they did actually worked.
18th Jul 2011, 8:07 AM
Oh dear God...that face...it will haunt me forever. Years from now on my deathbed I will see that face, and I shall fear.
18th Jul 2011, 4:45 PM
i love the name of that fire attack.
as for death wing well when insanity is your motive you don't need much more.
18th Jul 2011, 10:08 PM
@Clef The cause of the Twilight Hammer was spelled out in the pre cataclysm quests. Join us and serve well to earn spiritual credit with the elemental lords who will consume the world. Then your spirit once released from the cage fo flesh will ascend to the elemental powers. The truely worthy will gain elemental powers in this world now - but only if your really worthy.
So a part of it is a desire for personal power. Some insanity. Some a desire to bully and hurt others. Others want a certain power in the afterlife .. WoW has a remarkable lack of heaven but a definite hell.
Incidentally Illidan didn't join with the Legion. What he did was simply a Demon Hunter's goals wrote large.
@Hotash I hope they do make the war a raid. They can finally retcon away some of the Knaak stuff. Well i wish they would do it to 99% of this stuff like the raptor army but anyway..
@Clef2 It wont be a barren rock. You will have the Faceless ones, the bug people, and the elements. Just like the good old days :)
@Rokas The world was torn apart and people were horrified that this could happen. Geologicly(sp?) Azeroth is very stable so it shocked and horrified many folks. How is it unreasonable they would want to join the winning side? Look at what happens in the real world and we dont have a person claiming they did it and everyone believing him - even the people who want to stand against him.
19th Jul 2011, 3:32 AM
It's okay! The priest is still alive. It's all good. There's a good chance of wipe recovery. Oh...right. Priest. Never mind.
23rd Jul 2011, 12:54 PM
Yes, but there ARE two shamans there: if they both have ankhs they could easily pop up and get the shindig going again.
24th Jul 2011, 9:19 PM
Nefarian went to town, riding on a pony,
stuck a feather in his cap and called it macaroni!
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