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Comic 69 - Art Test 2- Kleeyo
3rd Mar 2012, 3:47 PM
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3rd Mar 2012, 3:47 PM
My second attempt at a more detailed art piece. Once again riddled with mistakes. I drew the kilt shredded because I figured not drawing the legs would be too much a cop out (presumably from all the gnomes that have been clawing at her), however that ended up being the biggest mistake since I noticed I drew the thigh too short and the shin too long.
Kleeyo was the second toon I rolled back in vanilla. The horde on that server was drastically underpopulated and PvE raiding was next to non-existent since the population couldn't support more then 2 or so 40-man raiding guilds. So in most part if you were horde and wanted to see pretty purple gear, you had little choice but to PvP. Thus was the birth of my first and only dedicated PvP toon. I never was any good at competitive gaming, however Kleeyo was the only one character that I at least built enough experience to the point that I (most of the time) wasn't a free HK. One good thing about enhancement is that they have utility for most every situation.
Finally finished off Skyrim. Hit 81, maxed every skill, cleared every dungeon, completed every quest, unlocked every word of power, got the 1000 Xbox acheezement points...time to step outside and see what sunlight looks like again, heh.
Now to see if they'll ever make an expansion for it like they did with Marrowind and Oblivion. If they do, I hope they make the entire storyline about kicking the Thalmor's ass. I mean seriously, they are the combination of Blood Elves and the Gestapo. Everything about them just wants to make me smash their faces in. Even if you save the world and end the war, in the end you are still the Almeri Dominion's bitch. It just can't end like that. Once Ulfric Stomrcloak's dead body hit the floor, there was a subtle hint that the next fight would be against the Thalmor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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3rd Mar 2012, 4:32 PM
I'm still not finished with Skyrim. One of the reason being I made uber enchants and the game kinda lost the appeal. Dang
My character also ended up being more PvP than PvE. One day I might reroll a shammy or perhaps a Warlock, but for now, got too much on my mind to grind again
3rd Mar 2012, 4:41 PM
Yeah, that's the problem with cheats and exploits (which that game is loaded with). Stuff like that completely removes any sense of accomplishment, which kills replay value.
3rd Mar 2012, 4:52 PM
Finished Skyrim a long time ago.. So it ended up that i started with mods.. One of them makes dragons into ponies.. And its so fun to slay them >:D. I also made my own mod so i can make own armor models.. =P
Anyhow, great work. Even tou i quit wow i still read this x)
3rd Mar 2012, 8:17 PM
She looks great Clef! I wouldn't worry that much about her thigh and shin because a character's face is where the attention goes unless you're dealing with another artist who likes to nitpick. One thing I did need to do was reduce the pic size so that I could look at her in her entirity. I always like that focussed, determined look on her face that sets her apart from Sarah, along with that bold, defensive stance. Her armour looks amazing, particularly the depth of detail in the plate sections(? not sure if that's the right terminology) and all the contouring and reflections. I also like the transparency in the wolves, and the icy blue tone you've used for them.
PS - It's always remarkable that you are able to give Kleeyo a cute bosom amidst all that metal. :)
3rd Mar 2012, 8:44 PM
Heh...just following Blizzard's example on that one. A character could be wearing plate, mail or cloth complete with tabard and undershirt and everything will STILL be shaped the same as if they were wearing nothing at all. Every chest piece is apparently skin tight.
4th Mar 2012, 12:28 AM
nicely done, I'm not too worried about the legs though. and I know how ya feel about the skin tight plate.
Blood Elves arent all bad btw, they lost their homes, took them back, and all a matter of few years after losing their homes to begin with. the gnomes are full of fail since they cant even keep a steady forward base outside their irradiated hell-bound cesspit. I mean, the Blood Elves had a traitor but put him to death. the gnomes however still have not been able to succeed in killing their traitor or cleaning their city.
looking forward to seeing more gnomes getting punted though. ^_^ maybe I should submit my shaman for kicks. :p
4th Mar 2012, 1:02 AM
That's one way of looking at it.
Here's a timeline on how I see the Blood Elves. From the view of a career Alliance fan ^_-
-High Elves were getting their butts kicked by the Horde in the 2nd war. Alliance saved their asses.
-High Elves join the Alliance. Help Alliance win the 2nd war.
-3rd war. Scourge started attacking Lordearon. Alliance asked for help. High Elves said "Nope. Not our problem."
-High Elves sat on the sidelines while Lordaeron was ransacked by the Scourge.
-Once finished with Lordaeron, the Scourge wipes out Silvermoon next to capture the Sunwell.
-High Elves claim that the Alliance failed their people (beside the fact they didn't do jack to help).
-High Elves rename themselves Blood Elves to honor their fallen.
-With the loss of the Sunwell, Blood Elves abandon the Alliance and embark on an exodus to Outlands to follow Illidan (granted, Garithos was a racist prick, which didn't help any)
-Adding further insult to injury, those who stayed behind side with the Horde, the very same people who the Alliance shed their blood to save them from in the first place.
-In game, the Blood Elves are arrogant and condescending, and appear more then happy to fight and kill their former allies.
Basically I see all Horde Blood Elves as traitors (from a roleplaying perspective).
I know the Blood Elves blame the Alliancee for their defeat because it was Lordaeron's own prince who lead the Scourge forces. However since Arthas had wiped out his own country first, it should have been obvious he was not acting on behalf of the Alliance.
Had the High Elves helped in the first place, would it have stopped Arthas? Most certainly not...but it's still a matter of principle.
5th Mar 2012, 11:07 AM
I agree 100% Having a sexy race for Hoard > than lore considerations
Also The Hoard Forsaken also really bug me.
They were alliance but now that they are undead, despite retaining all their former lives memories, miraculiously bear boundless hatred for alliance, and want to destroy them. huh?
Hoard allows them to join, despite numorious attemps by them to wipe out all life on Azeroth with plagues. They are basically the same as the Scourge only *slightly* sneakier. I cant forgive Thrall for this Idiocy, but maybe it fits with Hellscream because he is an idiot and a douche.
Oh, and lets not forget about the newish story about them using those valkyries to create NEW forsaken, completely contrary to their former conditional Horde membership stipulations.
Giveing Horde something goth to play > than Lore considerations.
5th Mar 2012, 11:16 AM
Lets not forget that there are still many High Elves loyal to the Alliance, and not just "lore" wise but in the game as NPCs.
Blizz just wont let you play as one, which is a shame. It would make more sense RP wise, to be able to make the choice, rather than being shoe-horned into one side.
5th Mar 2012, 4:22 PM
I think all the Alliance-loyal High elves are all in the Silver Covenant now. Minus a few stragglers.
7th Mar 2012, 8:10 AM
Yah, like the one in the hunting lodge. They are around, although often overlooked.
druds the druid
4th Mar 2012, 3:47 AM
it looks great the wear and tear really adds uniqueness!!!!
and besides it could be worse!
the nose is the hardest part in draing taurens and you got it spot on!
4th Mar 2012, 6:46 AM
That's a mighty fine looking side of beef. Good job.
4th Mar 2012, 7:52 AM
4th Mar 2012, 3:14 PM
well said about the thalmor clef
i mean they've been dragging this for TOO long
The Dwarven Dude
5th Mar 2012, 11:05 AM
Wow, amazing work there! So many freaking details everywhere. It's good to see someone who really loves what he's doing because this expresses itself in the great artwork!
Note to self: Must contact Blizzard to fetch a cameo role for Sara & Kleeyo.
And heck yeah, the Thalmor. I presume I did nearly everything in Skyrim. Poked the Stormcloaks as well as the Imperial Army, killed Alduin many times, regretted not killing Cicero, did the Hermaeus Mora thingie and stuff... but still hat no chance to flog those fascist elves. =/
5th Mar 2012, 9:32 PM
Ahh...you let Cicero live too, eh? I kept him alive just so I could sacrifice him later for the Ebony Mail quest and not have to kill a follower that I actually like. Then it turned out he couldn't be killed. Now stuck having to listen to him every time I walk into the Dawnstar Sanctuary.
5th Mar 2012, 3:37 PM
I love seeing tauren in art, so woot for that.
You decided to fight for the Empire, too, eh? For me it was the Stormcloaks' rampant racism that made me go "ooohh-kaayy, I'm going to side with the massive empire now, because at least they aren't total dicks." Which is odd because they tried to kill me, but then again remember the Thalmor were at Helgen too, so I figured it was really them who wanted everyone dead. Which gives me even more reason to smash their stupid faces in, the stupid elves. SMASH THEIR FACE GOOD WITH WARHAMMER.
If they ever get that close without an arrow in their FACE though.
IN THE FACE.
5th Mar 2012, 5:57 PM
I LOVE this. It's fantastic!
Like...I'd like to see a wider version of it, or perhaps a combination of this and the one of Sara that could be made into a widescreen desktop wallpaper, because I would totally use that as my wallpaper.
GREAT job with this!
6th Mar 2012, 8:38 PM
Well, that's great to hear that you beat Skyrim! Also, out of curiosity, which faction did you choose: Stormcloaks or Imperials, and why? Lastly, now that you beat Skyrim, you plan on taking a break and (as you said) "see what the sun looks like again", or is the call of Mass Effect 3 reaching your ear too?
Also, I was wondering, out of random curiosity seeing on how you’re a Argent Crusade Fan, what your opinion on Mal’Ganas is? He seems to play a big role in Northrend regarding Arthas and the Scarlet Onslaught, but the trail stops after you find out he’s alive and the leader SO., and doesn’t show up in the Icecrown raid at all. Any opinions?
@Bloodraptor(Echo Isles): While I can see and agree with both arguments regarding Blood Elves from you and Clef, I kind've feel your view on Gnomes being the most fail race. Besides being very annoying to look at and hear, they actually quite useful lore wise (they supply the Alliance with a lot of war machines and useful technologies) and I've heard they can be hard to kill. Personally, I find the Trolls to be the most fail race of all the races, and while I can give a lot of reasons why they are fail lore-wise and gamplay-wise, I’ll just sum it up to this:
If it wasn’t for Thrall’s intervention, the Dark-Spear tribe’s Civilization would’ve been completely wiped out by *Murlocs* (I can see players being pwned by a Murloc rush, but a whole civilization?)
6th Mar 2012, 9:08 PM
Mal'ganis? He's a shining example of how Blizzard can spontaneously bring back any lore character from the dead. He played the absolute most vital role in causing Arthas to lose his mind enough for him to be consumed by Frostmorne, then was betrayed by Ner'zhul to seal the deal (the orchestration of Arthas killing him was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back). Nonetheless he was quite clearly *DEAD* at the end of the human campaign in Reign of Chaos. He, along with all the other dread lord overseers, were ousted upon the Lich King's rise to power. Now that the Lich king is defeated (err...under new management) and the Scarlet Onslaught is no more, my guess is that he would fall back into the ranks of the Burning Legion. Although Kil'Jaeden is certainly the type of leader who executes his subordinates for failure, so maybe not. We can certainly assume we'll see him again in the future...perhaps in a revamped ICC as he tries to destroy the new (and peaceful) lich king.
As for Skyrim, I chose to do the Civil War quest chain last. They did a really good job at creating a conflict where there was no clear good or evil. There were perfectly moral reasons for both sides to partake in that conflict. One side trying to keep the peace and stop another Elven invasion, and the other side simply wanting to defend their right to continue practicing their age-old beliefs in their own homeland. However the Stormcloak's ultimate goal was to reserve Skyrim for only the Nords. My character was a non-Nord. There's no real justification for any non-Nord to fight for them from a roleplaying perspective. Plus, if the Empire gets kicked out of Skyrim, the Aldmeri dominion would simply invade in their place to wipe out the Stormcloaks themselves. I'm sure the Empire would show a lot more mercy.
Now I just hope they don't find out that I killed the Emperor >_<U
7th Mar 2012, 6:04 AM
F*** You so much for spoiling the end of Skyrim! I'm not happy.
I'll still keep reading the comic, though...
7th Mar 2012, 6:18 AM
Err...sorry. The game has been out long enough that I figured everyone would have already beaten it by now -_-
7th Mar 2012, 1:33 PM
ok, I see the points you made in your argument against the Blood Elves, and I understand where you're coming from on it.
though to the defense of the blood elves, they did lose a lot of people from the second and third wars. those who remained high elves with their loyalty to the alliance in tact though are given a lot of restrictions, and some may feel oppressed with ideas of joining the Horde just to stab Varian's smug face.
and last I heard, since the High elves population is on the decline, they'll never be a playable race(that and in terms of character models, they use Blood Elf models with the blue eye glow).
The High elves however did provide what support they could to Arthas prior to Northrend, sending priests as support, so even then, they did fight tooth and nail to keep on good terms.
the Blood Elves after the third war thanks entirely to Garithos' racism led the Blodo Elves to consider the majority of humans, more specifically those who were zealously loyal to the Alliance, to be viewed as enemies.
it didnt help at all when the gnoems were still credited as valued members of the alliance when the high elves of Silvermoon, now Blood Elves, took gnomes as slave labor with the inclusion of regular beatings to keep the pride of gnomes shattered.
I did however have an interesting mini-sidearc you might lol about. XD
maybe I could fill you in on the details. my drawing skills arent so good, and I'm not so good at drawing on a computer because I dont have a scanner. I'd be sending submissions though to aleviate some of the time constraints though(and buy you a little more time to finish if you dont want to rush).
just something I thought to let mull around though. :p
8th Mar 2012, 8:23 AM
Most of what you say is true.
However the argument that they are in "decline" to exclude them from playable races is laughable. The number of "PC"s is a very miiniscule portion of the population, and it actually make sense that the remaining high-elves in the alliance would be in general a cut above the general bulk of the population.
Again not your point, just a lame blizz excuse.
I don't buy the PvP argument either. Planty of games have pvp vs the same race, and as you say they eyes glow a different colour anyway.
Im actually quite suprised they havnt added them already, since they wouldnt have to wase any dev time on a new character model. And I'm sure they could find something interesting for horde too. Maybe tribal humans from some jungle somewhere that don't like alliance heavy handedness?
8th Mar 2012, 7:43 PM
thing is, the high elf models exist, but Blizzard wants to keep the races of each faction as identifiable as possible from a distance. and according to Blizz, the high elves are in such low population that they are not going to be a playable race, that and there would be too much drama in an idea of a starting zone and capital city. a lot of people said the high elves should have Dalaran as their capital city, but that's not going to happen.
the Pandaren are going to be the first neutral race with players deciding on which faction to make their pandaren as early as level 10, but if I've not misread, the pandaren may drastically change appearance to accommodate their faction.
I'd say though it's fitting payback for the blood elves to murder and enslave gnomes. that being, gnomes are the most fail race in the game. and the only real reason the darkspear trolls were on the decline when thrall arrived was because humans and murlocs who worship a sea witch were doing relentless attacks. the trolls had the humility though to accept Thrall's help, and they survived despite losing people. Sen'jin's death was not in vain however as Thrall and the trolls did get off the island before it sank into the sea. and in the cataclysm the trolls got payback on the sea witch.
8th Mar 2012, 9:35 PM
The High/Blood Elf population has probably taken the biggest beating of any of Azeroths races in recent history (not that I'm complaining). Between Silvermoon getting razed by the Scourge, Dalaran getting flattened, all those who followed Kael'thas to Outlands getting wiped out and lastly the siege of Sunwell Plateau with the Shattered Sun mopping up the remnants...that's a lot of dead elves. Their population has GOT to be hurting after all that.
Since the number of alliance-sympathetic elves is probably barely enough to fill a phone booth, I would imagine it would not be enough to ever warrant them to become a playable Alliance race...unless the blood elves comes back to their senses and come back over :P
9th Mar 2012, 7:50 AM
Well bottom line Blizzard will do whatever it wants for whatever reasons it wants, whether it makes any sense or not.
I always considered the "visable" characters and NPCs to be a mere fraction of actual populations. representative if you will. If they weren't Thew world would actually have a very very small population. And no real sizable visable armies. A few PC's would never represent a sizable chunk of population in any case.
As to a possible starting zone for high-elves? Theres would be no reason not to make their intro identical to the humans, since they basically don't have a homeland, or nation other than the alliance capital
It's not infeasible technically or lore wise (not that blizz cares about lore anyhow) Makes more sense than forsaken or blood-elves anyhow.
But Blizz does what it does, logic no withstanding. :P
11th Mar 2012, 6:49 PM
love you comics and was wondering if by chance one day would you make a firefox persona with your comic characters. So that we can browse the web in style ^_^
11th Mar 2012, 11:40 PM
This looks awesome! The details are very clean and looks really amazing! Keep up the great work!
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