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Comic 92 - Standing Ground

11th Aug 2012, 4:26 PM
Standing Ground
Average Rating: 5 (1 votes)
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Clef 11th Aug 2012, 4:26 PM edit delete
Clef
The main purpose of this story arc was to allow me to get practice drawing battle scenes. A rather sizable one is coming up.

And if anyone is wondering what those spoon-shaped things are, those are supposed to be catapults.

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gardia 11th Aug 2012, 6:03 PM edit delete reply
NEXT UP shamatic enrage! and hero!
+ the fire and earth elemental combo!:D

poor hordies... the don't stand a chance!
mknight 11th Aug 2012, 7:14 PM edit delete reply
She's unfortunately the wrong type of shaman to cast hero :(
gardia 12th Aug 2012, 12:27 AM edit delete reply
heroism / bloodlust doesn't matter what you call it:P i prefer hero over bloodlust! doesn't suit our little tauren:)
it's more a orc thing
ExPaladin 11th Aug 2012, 6:11 PM edit delete reply
Heh heh! The orcs are about to get a good taste of the force of nature they abandoned! >:)
Wurgel 11th Aug 2012, 7:13 PM edit delete reply
At least its something Kleeyo has practice in.

She earned her living at defending a lumbermill agaibnst good equipped alliance, so defending a child against nearly naked Orcs shouldnt be such a problem.
Peace 11th Aug 2012, 7:17 PM edit delete reply
I mean, they are basic grunts most likely fresh in from Dreanor. They are lvl 60-70 tops.
Kleeyo is most likely 85 and decked out in at the very least WotLK tier gear, most likely even newer.
(i've been clean of WoW for over a year now, so correct me if I'm wrong).
Clef 11th Aug 2012, 8:37 PM edit delete reply
Clef
Well, even if there was a level difference, a huge amount of small fry can still overwhelm the well-geared. Just ask anyone who tried to solo the "Leeeeroy" achievement prior to 85, heh.
Gromnor 14th Aug 2012, 11:33 AM edit delete reply
Soloed it at 80 with a tankadin in heroic badge T9. But yes you are right, enough of them could be a hassle.
Daisybelle 11th Aug 2012, 8:57 PM edit delete reply
Daisybelle
Shock and awe! Kleeyo looks fabulous in that last panel, and I like the wide-open eyes in the third panel. The differely shaded backgrounds make for great effect too Clef, particularly the blood-red sky.

I guess it's destined that none of them will survive. If any did then it might interfere with the Orc-Tauren alliance.
Seph 11th Aug 2012, 10:15 PM edit delete reply
*Raises eyebrow at Chromie* I gotta say Chromie, you've been saying alot of interesting things lately...
@Daisybelle: I got an epiphany when reading what you said about Orc-Tauren relations. If some did get away, and Orc wouldn't like Taurens, and when they finally meet up with them, they wouldn't team up with them, making it so the Orcs don't save the Tauren from centaurs. And then, what if the humans help them out instead (either from centaurs or Orcs), and the Taurens swear a life-debt to the humans. Then when Kleeyo returns to the future, the taurens would not be Horde, but ALLIANCE!!!
@Clef: (in regards to my half-brained theory) C'mon Clef, you know you totally wanna do it....
Also, the more I look at Kleeyo's weapon, the more i think they look amazing. Can't wait to see them used more!
Rokas 12th Aug 2012, 4:39 PM edit delete reply
I so wanna see that. Tauren and humans make better allies anyway, since Hellscream's gone and been an arse about everything.
Clef 12th Aug 2012, 9:12 PM edit delete reply
Clef
That would certainly be one desirable outcome. Really wanted to have Kleeyo on the Alliance (in game)...when I signed the forum petition to allow faction transfers, I had it in mind that individual characters would be able to cross over, but instead, there was a mandatory race change. booooo.
Daniel E Carroll 13th Aug 2012, 3:30 PM edit delete reply
there are more people wanting to "jump ship" on their current faction but keep their character intact. with the addition of the pandaren and what will happen to the conflict that might just be able to happen.
JSStryker 11th Aug 2012, 11:11 PM edit delete reply
Go Kleeyo! Show those orcs what Strength and Honor really means!
Bloodraptor(Echo Isles) 12th Aug 2012, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
I can already tell she's gonna show what true strength and honor is, and considering those are Blackrock orcs, they're not gonna be part of Thrall's Horde. The Blackrock clan isnt in our modern day Horde since they still worship demons and black dragons.

I'm looking forward to a brutal fight.
Rokas 12th Aug 2012, 4:41 PM edit delete reply
The Orcs shall soon know that there are few things more formidable or frightening than a Tauren standing her ground. Go Kleeyo, kick some greenskin arse!
Crestlinger 12th Aug 2012, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
And oh look, she doesn't have to keep lavaburst off cooldown this time. :>
Warsabi 13th Aug 2012, 5:53 AM edit delete reply
So your no longer a elemental shammy?
Guest 13th Aug 2012, 7:46 AM edit delete reply
dualspec ofc ^^
Kaiser 13th Aug 2012, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
It's been a while since I've read your comic but your art has just gotten better since. Seriously, that last panel with the battle stance is just beyond awesome.

And in defense of the Leroy Jenkins thing, it wasn't that bad at lvl 80 if you had one decent AoE. But of course I'm saying this as a rogue xD
DarQuing 13th Aug 2012, 10:55 PM edit delete reply
This is what being a shaman is all about!

Where's a wildhammer dwarf when you need one? :D
TheSilentOne 13th Aug 2012, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
Let's get ready to rumble....
Lycanthrope 14th Aug 2012, 12:22 AM edit delete reply
It is too bad Sara will never be able to know what Kleeyo is doing for her. It would exponentially boost the devotion she already feels for her friend.

Then again...Sara did initially welcome Kleeyo to the Crusade a little more warmly than one would expect an alliance would welcome a former foe. Especially one with so much reason to hate the horde.
Halbor 18th Aug 2012, 12:18 PM edit delete reply
lets see, magma totem, windfury totem, healing stream totem and strength of earth. make sure lightning shield is on, windfury weapon on mainhand, flametongue weapon on offhand. and use maelstrom weapon for either healing yourself or chain lightning.


yeah...i love playing enhancement shammies:P
Peace 18th Aug 2012, 3:07 PM edit delete reply
Even if some orcs survived. It will be a long time before Thrall and the frostwolfs meet Cairne Bloodhoof. At that point Thrall had allready met with the Darkspear trolls and accepted them. Thrall was cool like that. Had the Taurens gone to humans for help, the humans would have killed them on sight.
I allways counted Thrall's Horde as the good guys trying to redeem their past, but being hindered by bad apples in their ranks.
Alliance on the other hand is unwilling to let go of old hatreds and is refusing to coexist. the only exception are Dwarfs.
Clef 18th Aug 2012, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
Clef
Kind of hard for the Alliance to get rid of old hatreds when the horde is still doing what they've always been doing...
Grayphus - Nemesis 18th Aug 2012, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
There was a controversial trend in Brazilian forum, saying that if the orcs had landed in Kalindor instead of East Kingdom, the Taurens are today in Ally because would feel firsthand the orc to make war and most likely would be extinct due to the Centaurs and orcs.
Adamantine 19th Aug 2012, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
I'm sorry Clef, but I disagreed with you back then, and I still disagree. The humans are the one who can't let go of anything. Just tell me what the Horde is doing that they have been doing in the past? They're not controlled by the Burning Legion anymore and even if there are still warlock within their ranks, it's the same amongst the Alliance and they're not being controlled by them. Moreover, the one trying to get the Burning Blade (? sorry, don't know the English name for it) back won't succeed as Thrall is watching closely. So, the orcs aren't fighting humans anymore, they just defend themselves as humans (and Varian in particular, even if an orc saved him from dying when Onyxia took him away from Stormwind) just won't let go of it. Trolls aren't that interested in orcs/human fights have they have their own problems, taurens are pacifist and blood elves are trying to have their civilisation back to its feet. The only one who are 'evil' (and that's because they've hatred and revange to keep them moving) are the undead.
While, in the alliance: Human are vindictive and can't accept a peace offer (for several reasons: personnal griefs, economy etc), night elves are nothing but a bunch of egoistical and haughty guys, the draenei got the problem of finding alliance first (and the night elves doesn't like draenei: they look like demon), the dwarves don't care, they have a civil war as for the gnomes: shouldn't care either for they have a cataclysm of their own to deal with (but being bellitled and made fun of should have made them leave alliance too).
So mostly, the problem are night elves and humans.
Clef 19th Aug 2012, 3:32 PM edit delete reply
Clef
Well, you are missing the "had their world invaded and kingdoms razed" part of the Alliance history. Historically bygones are only bygones after a war when one side is completely defeated. The Allinace kind of blew it by enslaving the horde remnants, but it would not have made sense for them to just say "Sure you invaded our world and nearly wiped us out, but here's some land for you to live on so we can live together in harmony. Just promise never attack us ever again, okay?". Now, the threat is still present after all those decades, and in Cata the Horde clearly instigated all-out war, and in MoP they are upping the ante even more, rekindling alllll those fond memories of what they did in the past. At the end of Warcraft 3 the Horde pretty much owned most of Kalimdor, yet they still teamed up with the forsaken because they wanted a "foothold" in the Eastern Kingdoms. You are going to have a very hard time convincing alliance that the Horde is merely "defending its self".

But then again I grew up with the Warcraft RTS games, where the horde clearly was the evil aggressor, so I'll always have that Alliance bias. But after leveling both horde and alliance toons both pre and post cata, just from the quests in all the zones which reflects blizz's new Horde bias, I still see evidence of the horde being the aggressor by far. Horde quests in zones like Howling Fjord, Icecrown, Twilight Highlands, many of the pre-cata vanilla zones, ect it feels like the Horde throws pot-shots the Alliance more than the twos' common enemy.
Adamantine 19th Aug 2012, 7:30 PM edit delete reply
Well, to answer your first argument (the part about their world being razed), then would the children be held responsible for their parents' mistake? And they had paid the price for they did remain in concentration camp and in slavery for decades. Moreover, according to it, it'd mean that whatever colony there ever was on Earth is right to make war and/or demand anything from whoever happen to have colonized them at a point in life.
So, ok, Orcs invaded Eastern Kingdom and humans hold them prisonner for long time. let's say it's a tie.
I can't say about Cataclysm (and MoP) for I never really played it (but if I may say, I made a orc in Cata and one of the first quests an orc and a troll had to do is to kill human soldiers that are trying to invide the orc/troll starting area, I highly doubt the reverse is true. How 'peaceful' is that?)
I admit that Garrosh isn't all peaceful; but Varian isn't either.
Regarding the 'we want a foothold in the Eastern Kingdom so we side with the Undead', I guess it's about the same thing that the Alliance setting side with the Night Elves.
As for me, I played WC 3 and WC 3 Frozen Throne, so I don't really have a good view on Alliance, and human in particular for I see them as Arthas and Garithos (really... Varian, Garithos... the nobles of Stormwind...). And I'm not sure they're that partial towards Horde. Just look at it this way: to go into Orgrimmar, you've two 'doors', while in order to invide Stormwind, there is two doors, but to reach the 'backdoor', you have to go through another capital... Which is worse?
Clef 19th Aug 2012, 9:23 PM edit delete reply
Clef
Well yeah, if your only previous interaction with the Alliance is WC3 with Arthas and Garithos, I'd imagine. WC3 definitely doesn't paint the Alliance in a good light (except for Jaina). I'd always encourage you to try out the previous RTS games, just for fun and lore if nothing else.

Varian may be a warmonger, but he's been around since WotLK, and didn't do much to expand hostilities outside of Northrend, while Garrosh only just took power at the start of Cata and immediately launched new campaigns everywhere.

The human invaders in Durotar you were mentioning were Kul'tiras navy. They were followers of Admiral Pourdmoore, who was blinded by hatred and eventually defeated by Jaina, his own daughter, and Thrall for the sake of keeping the truce between the Alliance and the Horde at the time. They're more like the scarlet crusade now.

As for the entrances to the capitols, you don't really need them anymore since everyone can just fly in, even to attack. Plus, SW has stormwind harbor is a HUGE back door. All you had to do was fly atop the boat leaving valiance keep for Horde to get to it.
Adamantine 19th Aug 2012, 9:48 PM edit delete reply
Well, I don't know about Garrosh being such a pain in WotlK, he even followed Saurfang's advice (read a bit of the kind of chapters Blizzard released on their site about the Northrend invasion). As for Garrosh taking power and ruling in a bad way, in Cataclysm (I don't play it, I don't like it and I don't think it had anything to do with what WoW used to be) I've my view about it and I don't mind at all if you don't share them (:p). In my opinion, he had been so belittled when he was in Outland: his own father found him weak and worthless, people disliking him for what his father had done, and then and he was so surprised to see how it was on Azeroth that when Thrall handed him the leadership of the Horde so that he (Thrall) could become that World Shaman thing... well, he sure couldn't handle it well and decided he should show he could be a good leader too. But that failed (and I think that's why Blizzard is giving Thrall the seat of the Warchief again, that and the fact many players disliked Garrosh as a leader... if I may say, I dislike his new look >.>)
Don't worry, I know about the Kul'tiras invasion and how Jaina, Thrall, Rexxar, a troll (don't remember his name atm) and that panda killed Jaina's father, I enjoyed playing it. But what I mean is that, if Jaina is rather 'on her own' as she more or less at peace with Thrall, Alliance still have a foothold in Kalimdor thanks to the N. Elves.
As for the doors, I meant them before Cataclysm and at least Stormwind (and Darnassus, if you think about it.. it's an island and hard to get to with no back door) were hard to invade for Horde players willing to raid them. I agree that now they are more or less useless though ><.
adamantine 20th Aug 2012, 8:41 AM edit delete reply
I meant 'I read a bit about...' etc
SlopDoggy 3rd Feb 2013, 8:57 AM edit delete reply
The last panel. Someone make it into a wallpaper. NAOW. :O
Nightwill 29th May 2015, 6:09 AM edit delete reply
Ive come back after not reading since MoP and Im digging your comics. Especially the last epic pose. <3 Tauren love.
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